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Alone among major Western nations, the United States has refused to sign a declaration presented Thursday at the United Nations calling for worldwide decriminalization of homosexuality.
In all, 66 of the U.N.'s 192 member countries signed the nonbinding declaration — which backers called a historic step to push the General Assembly to deal more forthrightly with any-gay discrimination. More than 70 U.N. members outlaw homosexuality, and in several of them homosexual acts can be punished by execution.
Co-sponsored by France and the Netherlands, the declaration was signed by all 27 European Union members, as well as Japan, Australia, Mexico and three dozen other countries. There was broad opposition from Muslim nations, and the United States refused to sign, indicating that some parts of the declaration raised legal questions that needed further review.
"It's disappointing," said Rama Yade, France's human rights minister, of the U.S. position — which she described as in contradiction with America's long tradition as a defender of human rights.
According to some of the declaration's backers, U.S. officials expressed concern in private talks that some parts of the declaration might be problematic in committing the federal government on matters that fall under state jurisdiction. In numerous states, landlords and private employers are allowed to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation; on the federal level, gays are not allowed to serve openly in the military.
Carolyn Vadino, a spokeswoman for the U.S. mission to the U.N., stressed that the United States — despite its unwillingness to sign — condemned any human rights violations related to sexual orientation.
Gay rights activists nonetheless were angered by the U.S. position.
"It's an appalling stance — to not join with other countries that are standing up and calling for decriminalization of homosexuality," said Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission.
She expressed hope that the U.S. position might change after President-elect Barack Obama takes office in January.
Also denouncing the U.S. stance was Richard Grenell, who until two months ago had been the chief spokesman for the U.S. mission to the U.N.
"It is ridiculous to suggest that there are legal reasons why we can't support this resolution — common sense says we should be the leader in making sure other governments are granting more freedoms for their people, not less," said Grenell, who described himself as a gay Republican. "The U.S. lack of support on this issue only dims our once bright beacon of hope and freedom for those who are persecuted and oppressed."
More than 50 countries opposed to the declaration, including members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, issued a joint statement Thursday criticizing the initiative as an unwarranted attempt to give special prominence to gays and lesbians. The statement suggested that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest.
The declaration also has been opposed by the Vatican, a stance which prompted a protest in Rome earlier this month.
A Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said the Roman Catholic Church opposed the death penalty and other harsh repression of gays and lesbians, but he expressed concern that the declaration would be used as pressure against those who believe marriage rights should not be extended to gays.
A new Vatican statement, issued Thursday, endorsed the call to end criminal penalties against gays, but said that overall the declaration "gives rise to uncertainty in the law and challenges existing human norms."
The European nations backing the declaration waged their campaign in conjunction with the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The Dutch foreign affairs minister, Maxime Verhagen, said countries that endorsed that 1948 document had no right to carve out exceptions based on religion or culture that allowed discrimination against gays.
"Human rights apply to all people in all places at all times," he said. "I will not accept any excuse."
He acknowledged that the new declaration had only symbolic import, but said it marked the first time such a large number of nations had raised the cause of gay rights in the context of General Assembly proceedings.
"This statement aims to make debate commonplace," he said. "It is not meant to be a source of division, but to eliminate the taboo that surrounds the issue."
Although the declaration's backers were pleased that nations on six continents had signed it, there were only two from Asia and four from Africa.
Alone among major Western nations, the United States has refused to sign a declaration presented Thursday at the United Nations calling for worldwide decriminalization of homosexuality.
In all, 66 of the U.N.'s 192 member countries signed the nonbinding declaration — which backers called a historic step to push the General Assembly to deal more forthrightly with any-gay discrimination. More than 70 U.N. members outlaw homosexuality, and in several of them homosexual acts can be punished by execution.
Co-sponsored by France and the Netherlands, the declaration was signed by all 27 European Union members, as well as Japan, Australia, Mexico and three dozen other countries. There was broad opposition from Muslim nations, and the United States refused to sign, indicating that some parts of the declaration raised legal questions that needed further review.
"It's disappointing," said Rama Yade, France's human rights minister, of the U.S. position — which she described as in contradiction with America's long tradition as a defender of human rights.
According to some of the declaration's backers, U.S. officials expressed concern in private talks that some parts of the declaration might be problematic in committing the federal government on matters that fall under state jurisdiction. In numerous states, landlords and private employers are allowed to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation; on the federal level, gays are not allowed to serve openly in the military.
Carolyn Vadino, a spokeswoman for the U.S. mission to the U.N., stressed that the United States — despite its unwillingness to sign — condemned any human rights violations related to sexual orientation.
Gay rights activists nonetheless were angered by the U.S. position.
"It's an appalling stance — to not join with other countries that are standing up and calling for decriminalization of homosexuality," said Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission.
She expressed hope that the U.S. position might change after President-elect Barack Obama takes office in January.
Also denouncing the U.S. stance was Richard Grenell, who until two months ago had been the chief spokesman for the U.S. mission to the U.N.
"It is ridiculous to suggest that there are legal reasons why we can't support this resolution — common sense says we should be the leader in making sure other governments are granting more freedoms for their people, not less," said Grenell, who described himself as a gay Republican. "The U.S. lack of support on this issue only dims our once bright beacon of hope and freedom for those who are persecuted and oppressed."
More than 50 countries opposed to the declaration, including members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, issued a joint statement Thursday criticizing the initiative as an unwarranted attempt to give special prominence to gays and lesbians. The statement suggested that protecting sexual orientation could lead to "the social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest.
The declaration also has been opposed by the Vatican, a stance which prompted a protest in Rome earlier this month.
A Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said the Roman Catholic Church opposed the death penalty and other harsh repression of gays and lesbians, but he expressed concern that the declaration would be used as pressure against those who believe marriage rights should not be extended to gays.
A new Vatican statement, issued Thursday, endorsed the call to end criminal penalties against gays, but said that overall the declaration "gives rise to uncertainty in the law and challenges existing human norms."
The European nations backing the declaration waged their campaign in conjunction with the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The Dutch foreign affairs minister, Maxime Verhagen, said countries that endorsed that 1948 document had no right to carve out exceptions based on religion or culture that allowed discrimination against gays.
"Human rights apply to all people in all places at all times," he said. "I will not accept any excuse."
He acknowledged that the new declaration had only symbolic import, but said it marked the first time such a large number of nations had raised the cause of gay rights in the context of General Assembly proceedings.
"This statement aims to make debate commonplace," he said. "It is not meant to be a source of division, but to eliminate the taboo that surrounds the issue."
Although the declaration's backers were pleased that nations on six continents had signed it, there were only two from Asia and four from Africa.
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Re: This is Important
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 1:52 PMPerhaps someone will post a link to a petition? I'm sure nearly all of us would like to sign it! -
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 9:38 PMWon't make a different quite yet unfortunately.
America is populated with self absorbed ignorati - this doesn't register on their radar just yet.
We are getting there.
Provided we don't regress into some epic state of chaos, we'll once again have the luxury of those "symbolic acts."
Then again, crisis and crises can bring about greater collective awareness of many important issues.
Perhaps that will happen.
In the meantime, as Aquarians we must sleep with all the colors of the zodiac in order to bring out the necessary Enlightenment. -
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Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:30 PM"In the meantime, as Aquarians we must sleep with all the colors of the zodiac in order to bring out the necessary Enlightenment. "
Can you really be Aquarian, wanting to sleep with everyone?
I mean, thinking about sex, talking about sex, sure.
But actually doing the deed? Hmm.... it's messy, and impractical to take my clothes off. Usually never as good as what's in my imagination anyway. -
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Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:56 PMWell, we need to emulate Scorpios and their being led by their lower chakras 24/7
Surely we can expand the breadth of our sensibilities?
but yeah, I know what you mean - I don't want to sleep with everyone:
Just the special ones I want to.
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Mon, December 22, 2008 - 8:38 AMNot to worry, the US will get on the outrage bandwagon after the fact, as usual.
*sigh* Seriously, in 2009 were still having the "gays are people" convo? Shouldnt that be elementary as this point?
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Mon, December 22, 2008 - 9:59 AMThis is very sad and embarrassing..... is that ass bloton still our rep in the UN??
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Mon, December 22, 2008 - 3:39 PMdoubt things will turn towards sanity in january.
Things are just getting started. Get ready for the destruction of the dollar. can anyone say, hyperinflation? cough cough.
Things are going to get bad, either it be for better or worse. People in america are going to have to wake up out of their "american dream". That includes aquarians.
People are so disconnected from each other now, it's crazy.
America has been robbing our rights for awhile. Doesn't matter if you're gay or straight. Homeland security? Patriot Act? Perfectly legal for them to declare one of you as a terrorist, wire tap you, imprison you without reason, and to torture you. America is about human rights? my ass. America herds sheep.
No one stands up together, they live in fear of one another. As long as you get them fat off of entertainment and promise them riches. They live for themselves and don't realize everyone is a part of a whole, and that we all work together. They eat media as reality.
If we can ever progress to the point where we respect each other and all of nature, the gay issue is trivial.
Obama? Change? haha, yeah right... All the change he is going to bring is his skin color -
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Mon, December 22, 2008 - 5:14 PMI agree with most everything your saying Shawn, and I do think Oboma is a tool of the establishment, but I also think he has the power to inspire people, and he can speak in complete sentences. It's very hard not to be cynical, but we being closed to positive change leaves no opening for it. Yeah, shit's gona get rough but it's up to us to map out what kind of future we want, and everything possible to make it happen......
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Mon, December 22, 2008 - 9:59 PMAquarians will be overseeing the rebuilding of society from our floating throwns.
Please follow our instructions.
But yeah, we do live in a tumultuous time and I do think it's going to get worse before it gets better.
Without indulging any completely stupid conspiracy theories or fanciful explanations of some form of second coming of some entity or other...
It seems to me that where we are now is exactly where we are supposed to be...in the same way we were supposed to have been through the last 8 years.
If leaders reflect some aspects of those they lead, then IMO, Dubya certainy reflects who were are as a people.
Perhaps Obama could one day reflect who we can become as a people.
A good Leader leads with his or her wisdom and their heart; their reason, their passion...their vision.
and yes, a good leader inspires others to become what they can be.
and yes, we have a very long way to go.
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Tue, December 23, 2008 - 10:17 AM"A good Leader leads with his or her wisdom and their heart; their reason, their passion...their vision."
yes, just like hitler.
I'm not trying to be cynical. I am an aquarian after all. I'm also not trying to relate obama to hitler either.
All I'm saying is that, it is very easy to sway the common man through media drowning, propoganda. Anyone can look like a hero or an enemy. People are "too busy" to stop and question.
Don't be surprised when we see another "terrorist" attack on america sometime in obama's term. I wouldn't be surprised if the people pulling the strings behind the curtain were aquarians. Overseeing the rebuilding of society from their floating throwns.
I have a bright view of the future... It just happens to involve a shit show beforehand.
I think one of our greatest assets to banding together as people is the internet. The TV is gone. Keep the internet uncensored. Once it enters your home/family, you will be involved.
I may be a harsh critic on the "common man", but I as well feel like we will eventually reach a higher state of mind, and be better off for it.
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Tue, December 23, 2008 - 11:01 AMI agree with what you are saying but your Hitler reference is a little...unexamined. -
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Tue, December 23, 2008 - 1:29 PMI'm sorry to throw this thread off track, but I think it all coinsides to our personal freedoms.
Not a refrence, only a comparison to your explaination of a "good leader"... Which hitler certainly falls into.
out of the 17+ million people who voted for hitler at the time. I'm sure you could ask many of those voters and have them say those good leader qualities you mentioned about hitler. Hitler grew the pride of the people. Though maybe in your eyes you see it as corrupt, still as real as it gets. I believe 9-11 caused psuedo patriotism in americans, yet I can't deny how real the patriotism felt to them. I can't call it fake.
Right, Wrong, Good, Evil... all subjective.
A player has wisdom, to a 30yr old virgin.
A son who is torturing POWs legally in iraq has heart, to his family.
A man who shoots a thief in his house, has his reason
A man who wears a straight jacket, has a vision.
An artist who buys paint instead of food, has passion
Now these people aren't leaders per say, but all those statements could hold true. Getting 17 million people to vote for you no matter how corrupt, IS REAL. That is a good leader. Maybe not in my eyes or yours, but there is a reason he got as far as he did. He brought pride in many people. In an economy going under he brought them change and hope. Hmmm sound familar?
I play devil's advocate a lot. Sorry to play semantics, but I fail to see how my comparison is unexamined.
Peace
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Tue, December 23, 2008 - 3:47 PM"I wouldn't be surprised if the people pulling the strings behind the curtain were aquarians."
Yeah, sorry to inform you, but Dick Cheney is one of our Aqua brothers. -
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Tue, December 23, 2008 - 3:52 PMoh god noooo.. say it's not so.
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Tue, December 23, 2008 - 3:59 PMThat is irrelevant. May people have been Aquarians. You can find who you like or don't like easily enough. You really do have to look at the whole charts. -
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Tue, December 23, 2008 - 5:40 PMCheney is hardly behind the curtain... more of a puppet.
I agree with amiable hermit. I couldn't care less about what sign of the zodiac our political figures are. I can tell who I like and don't easily enough.
I don't prejudge people based on their natal chart. Every aspect, every planet, every sign, every transit, is a two sided coin. Astrology can give a lot of insight into someone's persona... but in no way are you going to be able to break down their life completely. There are too many factors to take into account.
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Wed, December 24, 2008 - 7:53 AMme too, Shawn!
I'm similiarly gentle with my astrological interpretations but that is not to say that I can't stand Cheney.
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